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Just like Romania today...

3:08 "why do you think murder is wrong" Because acts of killing we support (*) aren't refered to as murder. (*) abortion, euthenasia, slaughter of animals, killing enemy insurgents. 6:30 "you are just better if you do philosophy" - philisophers "The benefits are obvious" superior thinking on display.😂

I prefer Tolystoy. Getting deep in thoughts.

I have a nasty way I present information. Writing may be better. Maybe

This is a good episode to share. Great stuff.

Professional philosopher: <spends five minutes qualifying statements, unable to capture its nuance in a short format podcast> Random RUclips comment: “Ya Zizek is the dumb man’s smart philosopher.”

aw man you were almostbthere at around 13:10. Putting others in charge will never be able to address peoples needs on the ground because they are removed from the decision making process. Then you go on to say fkng businesses and their markers 🤦🏽 enterprise and markets should be run by the workers who are the only ones in a position to look out for their own itnerests and those of the communities that they inhabit. Direct democracy and collective ownership at the workplace. Expecting a business to do this is again just putting someone else in charge who acts more like a king and his court than any sort of democracy.

Damn this is good, kudos

I’m pretty sure I’ve figured out how capitalism will end. Demographic decline will lead to a failure of it. It will be replaced by a zero growth economy. Examples of this through history are bleak AF.

I know people who intensly dislike philosophy. They think its pointless and is just a tool to confuse people. One of these persons is my father; but I love philosophy and even studied it in college (primarily ethics and epistemology). I think the reflexive opposition to this study is a natural response to defend ones worldview. It can be quite painful and difficult to have your views changed, especially if this includes accepting some level of shame in a previous view.

Excellent material, feels like every single adult/young adult should listen to this.

A method of waking people up to their [the] consciousness? That's easy! Nationwide psilocybin centres

After only listening to the last two episodes of your cast w/ Fisher, that was thrust across my RUclips feed unbidden, but I believe I've previously subscribed to your podcast years ago but have no recollection of ever really listening to it; current Austrian economist Saifedean Ammous's work around monetary policy and economics would seem to be an explanation and counterpoint to the condition that your outlining with Fisher.

The Ideology of Justice and the Commons are not here to help the species

Capitalism and free markets would be better. Unfortunately we are living with crony/vulture capitalism. I blamed capitalism for the state of the world for a long time, but now it is clear to me the system is rigged. The people in charge do not have the power to change things, but are incentified to perpetuate the system. Endless growth by printing money on finite planet is destined to fail. Fix the money, fix the world! #brokenmoney

Alienation

'like steph curry.' spit out my coffee,,,

This is the most American thing I've seen in years Y está bien divertido escuchar a los gringos.

I'm listening because most content bores me. Yours inspires me. Thank you.

I’m imagining a world where every political candidate delivered such a monologue as this one…strictly speaking it’s possible, right?

Capitalism was never just laid out as a “good, easily accessible plan”

This is such a dense and pithy exploration of a complex and multi-faceted issue. Really nicely executed, you got a subscriber 😎

Wouldn’t CRONNY CAPITALISM Be the word for the neoliberalism which was somewhat subverted? People have always acted in the own self best interest. It’s not comfortable to internalize that whatsoever but it’s absolutely certain. I find it amazing so many different philosophies miss this or minimize it. There is No Solutions but only trade offs as Dr. Thomas Sowell so efficiently states. This Era has been infected horribly with this growing LACK OF PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY. And that goes for our public officials/government the most! Example , oh the debacle of 2020-2024 within our public health institutions……. The damage and lurking danger, like destroyed public trust to name just one, can’t even be remotely estimated.

Merci.

The concepts of private (not personal) property and the common good are diametrically opposed!

PhilosophizeThis: we are going to explore change from within the capitalist system rather than radical critiques of or departures from it! Also PhilosophizeThis: why do we allow the market to decide just about everything and where did our democracy go?

The organ donor example seems like a terrible example. What utilitarian calculation would not take into account 2nd and 3rd (etc) order effects, including the context of the current society and ultimate goals? Edit: Ok reached the end and very much looking forward to your video(s) related to utilitarianism. Still think a word or two about why that example was naive would have helped.

Now as a libertarian I don't see that this is the ethos of capitalism to consider everyone and everything as commodity. This is the leftist point of view, because as materialist you see the world in this way. For me the world is get what you want and see what you desire to see. If you are content with beeing someone who doesn't own anything, then it's fine. The thing on individualiasm that many leftists don't get is that I don't care, and noone should care about on how others lead their life. In capitalism you have the option to just say fuck off to everyone and live in your own desired state. Then you come with: sense of security, sense of social interaction. What if someone gets in bad situations just because? Then I answer as human being we have all or some of us have at least the spirit to help each other out if we know an individual. We don't need the government to do this. We need more and more interaction and togetherness. And this is not achieved through social wellfare, law enforcement and moral guides. This is achieved out of need, because people get in contact with each other if they need or desire something. This is the bound holding us together. This is capitalism. Out of the desire for things cooperative interaction emerge - the full opposite of what in this episode was suggested that capitalism causes. Capitalism offer us a way of beeing that we never had before. Capitalism is the only system that really allows you to shut off yourself from society and live the life you want. Noone is expecting something of you, at least this should be the way. But why do we have still this feeling? That we must become something? That we must get things done? And I blame the government and our social morality for it. In school you get an image of what is success, you get shaped into what means to own a value and that you could only live if you deliver value for society. But this is bullshit. No one has to be anything if he doesn't want to. You can get money in such easy ways and the world is so vastly open, the only thing you have to see is your own will. Nothing else matters. We will all die and what matters is that we without harming others live in such a way that we see our life as worth it. Not for a cause or a system. Just because. Just for the sake of curiosity and experience. And why shouldn't you don't care about others in a fully capitalist society? It's bullshit to say that capitalism causes people to just not care about others. I love the approach of Alan Watts: someone who goes crazy about the ego and gets so individualistic will find that his ego only exists because of others. Just letting you with this thoughts.

private property is unacceptable. capitalism is incompatible with life. no compromise. no quarter

Really liked this episode and vote for more. Do you have a link to his book on Amazon where you get a percentage of the sale? Also, do you have a recommendation of an engineer who writes the best solution for what Sandel points out?

my favorite matrix movie is 4

interesting that every side is throwing "post modernism" as an insult to the other side

Oh now I found your podcast on RUclips and finally I can comment on your podcast haha. I don't know if capitalism as an economical system is the problem in why people are getting lonely. I think the state undermines and creates isolation. Think with me: if we know that the state should take care on my neighbor, then why should I care? I'm a 100% capitalist but also libertarian. Still I love your podcast.

26:43 *Sandel + Hickel / degrowth* Sandel’s concept of how “market norms have hijacked social norms” sounds in-line with Jason Hickel’s degrowth logic of “decoupling social services sector (modern human need) from market speculation”.

Can someone please reply to my comment with his email? I think I’m overlooking it, but I can’t find it.

As a "team libertarian" guy, I am not sure I caught what you said the problems or contradictions with the liberty mindset are. The example for Utilitarianism was quite clear, and a great example. But you moved into the third section, concerning virtue ethics, and I dont think you really came back. Was it that markets (the voluntary choices of many individuals within society) shouldnt decide value but we should be more democratic (based on the voluntary choices of many individuals, but then averaged and forced all all) in determining value? Maybe I missed something. I dont see the flaws in the liberty based system of Justice.

The market is the means by which the common good is achieved. If you see something else happening, thats because your idea of the common good has been out-voted. I do agree that we need more civic participation, but the problem is how do we get that without unjust coercion?

8:04 *Harvard Justice series* Michael Sandel’s Justice series is here on RUclips. One of the first free lecture courses posted on the platform I believe..

20:44 the bailouts were unjust because it flies in the face of the promise of markets; that if you make good decisions, you will do well, and if you make bad decisions you will fail. By subverting that meritocratic paradigm, not only did they set up implied incentives for risky behavior to rush to the top, but they also didn't fix the problem. It was a centralized decision, made by people with only the interest of winning a later election, that both delayed he inevitable and set up a situation that we will be worse off when it comes back around. Trading away present pain for future greater pain is unjust, especially when that future pain isnt going to be yours.

"Total" anarchy is the absence of monarchy. Anarchy is not chaos. People won't kill each other if there is no forceful hierarchy

Strauss was mid-20th Century, not early. He died, at 74, in 1973, and started publishing in the 1930s.

This doesn't sound like a true defense of capitalism haha. Based on the opening remarks it sounds like "let's change it because it's not working (supposedly), but still call it capitalism." 😄 I'll listen to the full episode during my workout later to see If you give capitalism the credit it deserves

great episode. i heard his lecture at harvard on youtube years ago, changed my perspectives and helped ne realize i was nostly libertarian. an on that note, few people consider that the reason the markets no longer represent real supply and demand is becouse of all the goverment intervention via subsidies tax breaks and crony capitalism that ecery senator and polotitian are desperate to be a part of. they the solution is more intervention and do not consider the root cause wich is goverment and the central bank

17:41 *civics and the common good* “For somebody like Aristotle a just society is not going to have justice for very long if it doesn’t have citizens that are capable of civic involvement.”

Late to this party. Normally very happy with your podcast. However, you left many rocks unturned? 1. Definitions: we have no consensus on what meaning, intelligence, understanding, etc really are. They are just position statements. 2. Sociopolitical: whatever GPT is we cannot deny that it is a tool of advance capitalism that would increase productive to render worthless human value. What is capitalism when human labor is not needed? Etc. Philosophical: if we can have tool that can replace “human cognitive work” what does it says about human ontology and Epistemology? What is to be human? What do we do when we think? Etc. I expected you would bring insight into these questions. What wrong with taking the LLM as fantastic cognitive tools? Why do we think consciousness is such a big thing? Etc. I find irrational to expect a non “biological” thing to have an ethical positions when it seems that only biological “thing” have it. Could we image the ethical considerations of a rock or the wind? I don’t.

Socialism FTW! anything else is unjust.

Oh no, I see the word justice so I'm braced for nonsense about personal responsibility and retribution. Gonna go eat something and de-stress before this inevitably stresses me out and I feel compelled to write a comment a few paragraphs long that no one will like.

Yes brother. Great episode. Been reading Mark Fisher for years and so good to see him filter up into the social consciousness.

Steve, you are an incredibly good teacher! Whatever our society is paying you I believe you are worth more!

neoliberalism sounds feudalism or tsar era russian landslaves. name is fancier than those older names but result is poor.